There has been a relative flurry of responses (3 within two months) to my previous post on the subject of music stuck in your head http://hormoneguru.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/songs-stuck-in-your-head-broken-record-syndrome-part-1/.
A year ago I knew of only one other person with this condition. Now I know of at least 12. And 5 of them have been willing to talk with me, providing important details about their experiences and sharing their fears and their anguish.
My private correspondences have covered issues, theories and possible courses of action that may be helpful for other sufferers out there. So I’m going to summarize their content in today’s post. It may be a long one.
THE EXPERIENCE OF BROKEN RECORD (BR) SYNDROME / AUDITORY MEMORY LOOPS (AMLs)
Basically, sufferers of the AML phenomenon ”hear” (in their heads only) short (5-15-second) clips of songs and sometimes phrases over and over to a maddening degree. While most of us have had a song stuck in our heads for a brief period, in those with the AML phenomenon, the noise reaches pathological proportions. It dominates our lives and can, in fact, ruin our lives.
At one end of the spectrum, for some sufferers the internal music is like a soundtrack to life and causes little or no disruption to speak of. For others, the loops occur sporadically, totally consuming their lives at times, and at other times being blissfully absent.
At the extreme end are those who are tortured with constant, unrelenting, mind-scrambling sound loops 24/7 for months or even years with absolutely no relief. I fell into this group, along with two other women I know of so far. For over a year I NEVER had even one minute of silence in my head. Not awake and not in my sleep. I couldn’t even hear my own thoughts. I literally thought I would go insane or die if I couldn’t stop the constant maddening loops in my head.
I have defined the auditory memory loop/AML phenomenon as a condition distinct and separate from the conditions that have been studied so far: musical hallucinations (in which you seem to actually hear the phantom sounds with your ears), and palinacousis (in which a real sound echoes or repeats after the initial auditory experience).
Many of the sufferers who find me have already gone down the “ear worm” path but have realized that ear worm research has only covered the most superficial ground, identifying sticky songs and discussing a mostly cultural experience.
Many of the AML sufferers have been told by their doctors that they are imagining things, or have a psychological disorder or are depressed. Hell yes! You’d be nutty or depressed too if you had the Barney the Dinosaur song stuck in your head every minute of every day and night for a year! Yes, this seems to be truly “all in our heads” but the emotional dysfunction we experience is a symptom/result of the AMLs, not the cause.
For some, the same psychoactive drugs that calm the minds of OCD patients will calm the AML sufferer. I take a small dose of the generic antidepressant trazadone at bed time. I suspect it has also contributed to my almost complete absence of AMLs in the past year since I started taking it. But I’ve also learned to maintain just the right level of progesterone, so I’m not sure how much of an impact the trazadone has really had on the AMLs by itself.
But one woman tried trazadone and her legs went numb.
And, for at least one AML sufferer, an antidepressant (Prozac) seems to have triggered theAMLs. He has also found others with the same experience. So taking psychoactive drugs can be a tricky proposition with potentially more risks than benefits.
THE CORTISOL HYPOTHESIS
Throughout my struggle for answers, I have gathered various clues that have led me to formulate the hypothesis that the adrenal stress hormone cortisol may play a prominent role in this phenomenon. For those interested in the logic, the clues are these:
- MY AMLs started during perimenopause, when my hormones were dropping and were completely out of balance.
- The AMLs stopped when my first doctor put me on synthetic hormone replacement therapy using Prempro (horse estrogen and fake progesterone).
- The AMLs came back a bit when I switched from synthetic hormones to bio-identical hormones (which are chemically identical to those that human bodies make).
- The AMLs got worse when I was stressed.
- The AMLs got worse when I tried to raise my progesterone dose to properly balance my estrogen.
- When I tried Relora to help me lose weight, the AMLs quieted down. (Relora is an over-the-counter/OTC herbal product advertised to help promote weight loss by lowering cortisol. It didn’t help my food cravings but did help the AMLs.)
- When I added 150mg x 2/day of the OTC supplement phosphatidyl serine to boost my declining brain function, the AMLs quieted even further. (PS is essential for cellular and neurological function. It declines as we age…and it also happens to lower cortisol.)
- When my progesterone is low I have virtually no AMLs.
- Progesterone (human and bio-identical) can break down along either of two paths: one leads toward the other sex hormones, estrogen and testosterone; the other leads toward the adrenal corticosteroids, including cortisol.
So my hypothesis is that cortisol is fully or partially responsible for the AML phenomenon (tho I currently have no hypothesis regarding the mechanism involved). My hypothesis is based primarily on four key clues:
- Taking supplements that lower cortisol also reduced the AMLs.
- Taking synthetic progesterone (which cannot metabolize into cortisol) stopped the AMLs.
- Taking bioidentical progesterone (which can metabolize into cortisol) increased the AMLs.
- Stress, which increases cortisol, increased the AMLs.
Since I had been under tremendous stress many times earlier in my life (including during my pregnancy, when progesterone increases to 300 times normal) and never had AMLs, I am at a loss to explain the AML phenomenon based exclusively on cortisol. There must be other conditions in my body/brain now that didn’t exist when I was 35.
Perhaps there is a depletion over time of a brain chemical that normally shuts off the repetitive firing of a memory. Perhaps whatever conditions in the brain that cause the repetitive behaviors of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) are also involved here to some extent.
Perhaps the enzyme that breaks progesterone down into the sex hormones decreases with age, or the enzyme that converts progesterone into cortisol increases, so that more progesterone breaks down into cortisol. If that’s the case, then perhaps someone like me could supplement the sex-hormone enzyme or inhibit the corticosteroid enzyme to make more of my progesterone convert into estrogen and testosterone.
But if it is truly just cortisol, then everyone with Cushing’s Syndrome (super-high cortisol) would have AMLs, and I haven’t seen any reports to that effect.
So while reducing cortisol might help many of us AML sufferers, we still won’t know what other mechanisms are involved in creating the unique AML conditions until someone studies us. For now it’s enough to at least have one possible path to relief.
WHAT TO DO IF YOU HAVE MUSIC STUCK IN YOUR HEAD
Certainly you need to rule out serious medical issues first.
When I consulted my first gynecologist for this problem, wondering if it might be related to menopause and the craziness of my cycles, he told me: “You’re not in menopause. Either you have a brain tumor or a thyroid problem…and you don’t have a brain tumor!“
Turns out I WAS hormonally menopausal. But the fact is that it could easily have been a thyroid problem or, yes, even a brain tumor.
If your cortisol levels are chronically high, you may have an adrenal or pituitary tumor (Cushing’s Disease), or other kind of brain tumor that needs to be treated. The AML sufferer whose AMLs started when he took Prozac briefly may have knocked his neurotransmitters off-kilter. So you have to go through all the right gates and rule out other issues before you start considering a simpler stress/cortisol hypothesis.
Here’s how I recommend you approach it:
- First ask your doctor to help you with your quest. And if one doctor won’t walk this path with you, find another. One who will play the role of detective, who will order the relevant tests, who will noodle through the logic as you accumulate new clues, and who will formulate and test new hypotheses as you gather more clues.
- Look for clues that might indicate a cortisol connection. Do your AMLs flare up or get worse when you’re stressed? If you’re female, do the AMLs get worse during the 2nd half of your cycle (days 14-28)? Or did they start or get worse when you were pregnant?
- Ask your doctor to test your free hormones (not total), ideally: (1) estradiol, (2) progesterone, (3) testosterone, (4) DHEA, (5) thyroid (all, not just TSH), and especially (6) cortisol (4 different times during the day). And at least test your cortisol.
- If your AMLs come and go, I strongly recommend you have your hormones tested both during an AML episode, and when it’s gone.
- If your sex or thyroid hormones are out of whack, ask your doctor to correct them.
- And if you have Cushing’s, wait and see if its treatment will resolve the AMLs.
- If major health issues are ruled out or corrected, and it turns out that you simply have a lot of stress and a lot of cortisol flowing through your body, then consider trying one or both of the OTC supplements that have worked for me: Relora http://www.findsupplements.com/browseproducts/Doctors-A-Z—Relora-250-mg-Capsules-90-Each.HTML and phosphatidyl serine http://www.vitacost.com/Source-Naturals-Phosphatidyl-Serine-150-trade You can usually find both products in any good health food /vitamin store.
If you and your doctor are comfortable with your trying the OTC solutions, I’d recommend you start with the Relora. It works fairly rapidly for me, with one pill providing relief within a couple of hours. If that works, it tells you that cortisol may be involved in your AMLs.
Then you can add the phosphatidyl serine, 300 mg per day (I take 150 mg with breakfast and dinner). The PS seems to have a cumulative effect but takes a while to make a difference. I no longer take Relora except if I have a bad flare-up and need immediate relief.
WHAT IF MY DOCTORS WON’T WORK WITH ME?
It is possible that your doctors may not be able or willing to go beyond the conventional diagnoses and treatments and may send you on your way without any real answers.
If that happens, you can still try the cortisol reducers. But I urge you to do so responsibly. Get your hormones tested first, preferably all of them including thyroid, but at least cortisol, 4 different times in one day.
You can get home test kits that only require saliva samples. You basically spit into a little tube, cap it and mail it to the lab with your check. The kits come with prepaid return mailers.
There are debates raging over whether saliva tests are as valuable as blood tests. Some say they are more accurate because they measure the “free” hormones that are actually available to your tissues and organs, whereas blood tests measure total hormones, much of which is ”bound” and not available for use. Either way, they are convenient and will at least give you ballpark values to tell you whether you’re in or out of the normal range.
Ideally, you should test estradiol, progesterone, testosterone and cortisol (times 4), DHEA and thyroid hormones, just to rule out unexpected highs, lows or imbalances (However to measure them all can be quite expensive. This is why it would be best for your doctor to order the tests so your insurance will pay for them.)
The following are some home test kits my gynecologist uses for her patients.
ZRT Labs (www.zrtlab.com) offers a cortisol-only kit for $138. http://www.zrtlab.com/Page.aspx?nid=12&action=view&category=11
ZRT offers a couple of comprehensive kits (one set for males and one for females) http://www.zrtlab.com/Page.aspx?nid=12&action=view&category=3 , which collects blood and saliva samples and tests all the sex hormones plus thyroid for $345. (For the blood sample, you prick your finger, like diabetic testing, and let the blood drop soak into a special pad. )
Eliminating thyroid from the test brings it down to $270 for the sex hormones and 4 cortisol collections (all saliva-only tests). http://www.zrtlab.com/Page.aspx?nid=12&action=view&category=2
I’ve also found the following affordable sex-hormone test kits. My sister has used FemaleCheck.
FemaleCheck and MaleCheck are kits for saliva testing sex hormones and are available at a number of onliine sources. About $75-$90 — shop around for price. http://www.healthhometest.com/index.php?cPath=40
SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCES
There are so few of us (that I know of) who suffer from this phenomenon that few, if any, researchers are even looking at the chemical aspects of it.
If you have songs stuck in your head, please contact me at hormonebook(at)yahoo.com. I have developed a comprehensive survey designed to collect information about those of us who suffer AMLs. I would be most grateful if you’d be willing to fill it out. Or just chat with me.
Information about your experiences will provide important new clues that may one day help researchers find the cause and cure for this crazy condition.
Thanks so much!
Pat
Put me to the list of the people having this syndrome because I have it as well since April 2008. I am a musician, and one day looking at music for Bach 1067 triggered this syndrome. As a musician who plays by ear, I used to turn on music in my head to do the lead which allowed me to copy the note on the piano. I used to be able to control this.
For three years prior to that I was in a bad relationship etc. I developed tendency to think about what to say to my girlfriend and how to reply to her reply; considering all possible replies. i.e. premeditate what I say and they say. Then I started to do similar thing to all others I associate with including people I have philosophical discussions with. It was really mentally straining. Then when I became single and learnt to think simply again, this symptom started.
I am uni student but know nothing about hormone names; but maybe my brain got used to be over-loaded so if not, starting doing its own thing. In fact, when I talk to my friends in my head or I study (if I can concentrate strong enough to overcome the music in my head), the music thingy doesn’t bother me.
Recently, I can not really concentrate even to talk to someone though. My main concern is development to Music Hallucination or Schitzo although that’s never the case according to what I heard/read; must be different chemical or part of the brain.
Few interesting points:
When I have headache/migraine/ hay fever on RIGHT BRAIN this gets totally out of control, not letting me go to sleep. I put a movie DVD that has a lot of conversation to distract me from the music.
During November 08 exam, I slept at 10:30pm (usually 12:00), and didn’t listen to any music, then this music thing didn’t bother me, confirming my thing about straining on the brain. However, this was not true for the June 08 exam probably because my sleep was pretty bad. So sleep might be one of the essential in combating this.
Putting plenty of echoes/reverb to music when listening eases this syndrome. Also better to have distance from speaker. i.e. ear phone, speaker on laptop is bad.
I sometimes wake up because the music is so loud; interestingly though, in the middle of a song. This seems to indicate during my sleep, brain is still keep playing the music. This could be bad. Does my right brain ever have rest?
Also, when you are trying to sleep, try to bring your consciousness furthest possible from the right brain, or concentrate on sound surrounding you and think about story behind all those sound. E.g. car tyre sound- family trip- your childhood. Anything that has nothing to do with music will do. Hope this makes sense…
There are a few more points but that’s all for now. Wish you best
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I just received a note from one sufferer who tried the cortisol reduction method without success. Also a young mom whose cortisol was tested and shown to be high likewise got no relief from the Relora/cortisol reduction.
The young mom just realized that her music seems to stop when she’s working out intensely (run 2 miles then do weights). Her trainer thinks it’s the breathing, so I’ve asked her to try deep breathing exercises when she’s not working out…and possibly to try oxygen to see if that might be the key for her. Since she says the music starts as soon as she gets in the car and turns on the radio, it may just be that the workout distracts her from it (tho no amount of exercise was able to block mine out at its worst).
So that’s just one more piece of the puzzle.
I’ve suspected all along that this is a multi-stage problem, and that there may be initiating conditions that make our brains ripe for this to happen, then other conditions that actually flip the switch.
For me it was something that happened when my hormones crashed prior to menopause. The puzzling thing all along for me has been why stress and high cortisol would suddenly start this crazy music playing in my head when I know I have been super-stressed earlier in my life and this never happened.
I may be able to control my broken record by reducing cortisol now because I can also manipulate my replacement hormones, whereas younger people can’t really lower their progesterone or keep it from converting into cortisol…if that even is relevant to their experience with this thing.
I’m sure cortisol is only a part of the problem even for me. And I continue to seek out sympathetic and knowledgable researchers who might be able to shed some light on this. I offer myself as a guinea pig, since I’m the only sufferer I know of who can turn this phenomenon on and off.
If you are a brain researcher or know of one who is interested in helping, please email me at hormonebook(at)yahoo.com.
And if you are a sufferer and find ANYTHING that causes the music in your head to change one way or the other, please let me know. Your experience may hold a clue for the rest of us.
Pat
I also have been suffering from this problem for the past year. It does come and go. I thought I was going crazy or something was really wrong. My Dr told me I needed to see a psychologist and wanted me to take lexapro which had zero effect. I have a medical backround and was convinced that it is derived from a hormone inbalance. Now after reading this article I am sure of it. Question to all……. has anyone recieved any type of xrays within the time line of the aml’s problem?
i suffer from songs stuck in my head, all day, every day. it drives me nuts. i often think, if i could change just one thing, it would be to stop these goddamned songs.
the first thing i want to say is PLEASE don’t list the names of songs you get stuck in your head!! pattio, if you can remove where you said the name of the song you had from your post above, it would be good. i had that same song too. there’s something about certain songs, and just reading the names of them can trigger it. it’s been extremely difficult for me to research this topic on the net, because in every article or forum topic people just have to list the names of the songs they get stuck with! and this is the last thing i need.
i’m male, mid-forties. i remember the first time i got a song stuck for a really long time, like nearly a year, when i was around 15 years old. it comes and goes, but for the last couple of years it’s been really bad for me. i think it must be related to stress, because my stress has been quite high in that period. also i seem to have a case of fairly severe depression. i often think if killing myself these days, although i don’t think i’d actually do it. i don’t know how much that’s a cause or a result of the songs. probably it’s interactive, in other words, i get worked up about difficulties in my life, i worry a lot, that causes the songs to be louder, which just gets me more irritated. a sort of spiral of increasing worry and anxiety.
the songs are definitely stronger at different times of the day. it’s there already when i wake up; i think it must actually be playing when i’m asleep. it’s worst in the afternoon i think.
i try to listen to music that is mostly just “noise music”, a lot of distorted guitars, etc., that sometimes helps wash it away. sometimes if a particular song really starts getting to me, i purposely start singing one other song that i had stuck the worst ever, on and off for almost two years. by now that song has actually lost some of its sticking power, but it’s enough that it can drive out some other ones, and then sort of fade away.
i don’t know what else to do. i try to just relax, but i don’t really know how to do that. every time i try, i just get anxious because i think i should be doing some work, that i don’t have time for this. i just think about all the things i’m supposed to be getting done.
anway, i hope this helps. to be honest i don’t put a lot of faith in simple explanations, like it’s caused by too much cortisol or something. i just have the feeling it’s more complicated than that, and also that it’s just the way i am, that’s the way my brain works. i’ve read that people who are worriers, and who are musically inclined, are the most succeptible and that fits me to a T. i don’t think you change that by taking some pills or supplements.
on the other hand i do think reducing stress, anxiety, and depression could certainly improve my situation. i just wish i knew how to do that. i’ve tried a bit of meditation and so on, but it just doesn’t work for me, i just can’t get into it.
Hi I have been suffering from this AMl for the past year. I believe that I have finally found the culprit for it. At first I was convinced that it was a hormone inbalance but after meeting with Dr after Dr we have come to the conclusion that it is caused by an OCD dissorder. My doctor put me on 50 mg of Zoloft and the songs have absolutely quieted down. I hope this can help some of you feel free to email me with questions ..
I have had this problem for about 6 months. It started off with Xmas music….not sure why. Now I have different songs playing in my head. The ABC song….Happy Birthday…Three Blind Mice, and then there is the one I don’t even know! All the songs are like orchestra music….it’s maddening! I am under a tremendous amount of stress and probably going through menopause. I was happy to find your website because I thought I was losing my mind. I have started taking a natural product to hopefully even out my hormones. Unfortunately I don’t think anything is going to change as long as my stress level is so high, and I don’t think that is going to change in the near future. I haven not gone to the doctor yet….I am most hesitate about that. I know that they will want to put me on an antidepressant….I don’t want to do that. I will keep searching for a solution and probably try the Relora. Thanks for taking the time to explain this horrible, horrible syndrome. I find it hard to make it through a day most days.